Boxing Around The Mulberry Bush

Creating an experience ‘out of the box’ is not for the faint of heart. It requires the braveness and perseverance of a steady mind and a heart which contains more than just a ‘love’ of fellow man.

Perception defines our boundaries within the box, or the prison of our choosing. Perceiving unencumbered by thoughts, ideas or habits is not an innate ‘ability’ which we were spontaneously created with. It is a thought the same as any other thought. It is the thought of effort.

Efforting is the resistance we seek. Without effort, we exist without the need of a box to house our wayward thoughts.

Overcoming the thoughts which we create can be a perplexing endeavor.1

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FZA DBoard : General Discussion : Boxing Around The Mulberry Bush

[~poster]HairyKrishna

Thursday, March 16, 2000 — 01:23 pm

Creating an experience ‘out of the box’ is not for the faint of heart. It requires the braveness and perseverance of a steady mind and a heart which contains more than just a ‘love’ of fellow man.

Perception defines our boundaries within the box, or the prison of our choosing. Perceiving unencumbered by thoughts, ideas or habits is not an innate ‘ability’ which we were spontaneously created with. It is a thought the same as any other thought. It is the thought of effort.

Efforting is the resistance we seek. Without effort, we exist without the need of a box to house our wayward thoughts.

Overcoming the thoughts which we create can be a perplexing endeavor.

HairyKrishna

[~poster]AHA

Thursday, March 16, 2000 — 07:34 pm

You are so RIGHT Hairy when you say (and I quote part of your above post here):

“Creating an experience ‘out of the box’ is not for the faint of heart. It requires the braveness and perseverance of a steady mind and a heart which contains more than just a ‘love’ of fellow man.

Perception defines our boundaries within the box, or the prison of our choosing. Perceiving unencumbered by thoughts, ideas or habits is not an innate ‘ability’ which we were spontaneously created with.”

so far so good! Now you conclude the paragraph as follows:

“It is a thought the same as any other thought.” Which thought (in particular) are you referring to here?

You say: “IT is the thought of effort” ! Now, if you are not in the box the perceptions one would have would not need to have any effort connected with the thoughts, ideas, habits, etc. now would they?

However, this is not clear from what you wrote above.

My next question is: Where did you get this from? It is not like you to come up with these wise and in depth kind of postings.

You continue by stating: “Efforting is the resistance we seek”.

So, who are you to speak for all of us? You can only speak for yourself when you make these broad statements and, surely “What is true is that which is true for YOU, but YOU only.

“Without effort, we exist without the need of a box to house our wayward thoughts.”

A contradiction in terms: One should be so focussed that wayward thoughts wouldn’t even exist.

Except that we are only ‘in a box’ when we perceive that we are.

Therefore, it stands to reason that: “perceiving unencumbered by thoughts needs the ability to have a Clear mind that is not affected by the recurring key-in’s of the reactive mind and being sane; the ability to tell differences and similarities.

So, it was a good try in the right direction as it is one of the few posts you wrote that actually would get the attention here on this site.

Keep it up!

ARC,

Adriana

[~poster]HairyKrishna

Thursday, March 16, 2000 — 08:33 pm

So, who are you to speak for all of us?

I see that you don’t have that problem! Thanks for the chuckle.

Nice try, but you will never understand it by using every thetan’s favorite tool: the mind’s ‘differences and similarities’.

You are right. “I” did not write it, and should not be acknowledged as doing so.

HairyKrishna

[~poster]AHA

Thursday, March 16, 2000 — 09:09 pm

OK! You are welcome to the chuckle and thank you for being so honest as to admit that you were not the author of that piece.

I think I’ll copy it and paste it and move this over to the other area where ,perhaps, I can get an answer to the issue raised, without having to deal with your constant “no comment” on the subject under discussion, but where you always have plenty of advice for me to follow. I call that a ‘one-way street’ or better still, a dead end.

Perhaps, when you get to the ‘other side’ in one piece, and we end up in the same dimension, we shall meet again.

Bey now…. and don’t forget: Don’t do anything that I wouldn’t do… that should give you plenty of leeway…:)

[~poster]HairyKrishna

Friday, March 17, 2000 — 06:28 am

I see the beginnings of another tantrum.

All it takes is a little understanding.

In another thread, I ignored your tantrums and addressed you at a higher tone level and thereby brought you up. You responded best after I matched you on that raised tone. That is called “tone matching” and was a demonstration of a Scientology technique.

This would be invaluable in “handling” your nightmare called “John”. Please use it.

Matching tone levels really does work. But there is only benefit if you are able to use that technique to RAISE the overall tone level.

Throwing tantrums and playing games will be of little benefit to any one other than yourself.

I would love to see you overcome your “problem child”.

HairyKrishna

[~poster]AHA!

Friday, March 17, 2000 — 08:05 am

What problem child? I assume you mean John!

All I have done is just accepted the fact that he may be here till Kingdom come; well, that’s perfectly fine with me… if he starts ranting and raving again, I’ll just take a vacation and move to the other room.

You mentioned another thread, where you “purportedly ignored my ‘tantrums’ and addressed me at a higher tone level and thereby brought me up!”

Could you please be more specific here and point me in the right direction, so I can re-examine the exchange in a new unit of time?

You never know, I may have to admit that you are right about your conclusion, after all I have been going through a very stressful time while operating as a ‘one arm Bandit’.

As for your “tone matching” and how it ‘was a demonstration of a Scientology technique’ applied by you, please refer me to the post in question so I can again re-assess and see if I can learn something from your superior application of the Tech. I am always willing to learn new things — and, you never know — you could have something there.

I certainly appreciate your presenting me with a “game” that’s far more interesting than the one before.

Eagerly awaiting your specific references, I remain…. full of anticipation! :)

[~poster]HairyKrishna

Friday, March 17, 2000 — 08:41 am

Very funny.

Please don’t insult me by calling me a “Tech Terminal”. If you need references then do your own work. Either you know or you don’t.

This would be a good time to refer to my post in the other thread where the idea of DEMONSTRATING and APPLYING the princpals of Scientology were brought up. If you understood Scientology, you would be able to apply it.

After paranoia, there is always sincerity. Go ahead. Give it a try.

The games you play have you all over the board. Get an identity and get stablized. It is much better to start at some finite point (whatever that point may be) and work from there.

HairyKrishna

[~poster]Adriana

Friday, March 17, 2000 — 09:44 am

Dear Hairy:

Why would you feel insulted by me calling you a “Tech Terminal”? Is it the cold, technical words that bother you (as they do me at times) or is it that — in your own estimation, you don’t consider you fit into tha category?

I know I know. What I don’t know is: what you know!

Of course, this would be a good time to refer to your post.

However, please help me out here (I haven’t got all day to be searching this entire site!) So, please give me a more exact refrence as to where these ‘pearls of wisdom’ can be found.

As to your last comment: I would think that I am very clear in indicating my true identity. However, haven’t you heard of: wearing different Hats?

If you took another look at my posts, you would see that I waer the Hats of KOT, C/S, The Genie (when fighting for a good cause), but mostly AHA when I am coming from my ‘higher’ (so to speak) Self; Jeanny (from the Human version) and Gandalf when I have some wise cracks to make.

So Hairy, what is it that is confusing here? Everybody else seems to recognize my posts, why not you?

Perhaps, you are ‘resisting something’ that you see in me and my postings. Perhaps, you are ‘projecting”’, i.e., looking at me and seeing a reflection of yourself?

I cannot tell you the answers as that would not serve you.

However, taking an honest look at yourself and that which you are projecting, would not be a bad idea. It’s amazing how we hide things from ourselves. My latest seesion certainlt revealed some things about me (that were less than optimum) I wouldn’t have known even about myself.

There’s nothing like a session to bring out the truth of self-discovery. And, I don’t mean self auditing; that only achieves one beating about the bush, justifying one’s own beliefs. Try it and you’ll see what I mean! I am sure you can find a capable auditor in your area.

PS: And don’t forget that the reason I am engaging in these debates is only thanks to Mike and his assurance.

ARC,

[~poster]HairyKrishna

Friday, March 17, 2000 — 10:30 am

Adriana, you are making progress. Do you have an idea as to where I am leading you?

Maybe you should come up with a new “hat” to specifically address me with.

Easter is coming. Will you play “Easter Bunny” for me?

You already told me that you are just playing a game. Can you tell me at what point you decided that it was a debate instead?

I cannot thank Mike for your feeling of assurance when I have already told you what would take away that feeling.

I am not auditing you.

Do you remember “differences and similarities”?

HairyKrishna

[~poster]GrannySquirrel

Saturday, March 18, 2000 — 04:59 am

children, don’t be so noisy, you’re disturbing my nap.

Granny

[~poster]Grandadio

Saturday, March 18, 2000 — 05:18 am

Oh yeah, them good ‘ole diffences ‘n similarities

Gee, them where the days eh ?

[~poster]Mr.Reese

Thursday, March 23, 2000 — 08:51 pm

Goddam, you two have really stirred the pot roll a joint

let’s be friends:) /attachedNotes]


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