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UFO Hypotheses Interview of UFO Contactee Alex Collier

by Rick Keefe, 1994 Transcript by Jim of EARS (http://www.thelightside.org/ears/)

Rick Keefe: Alex, can you begin to tell us a little about yourself and your background?

Alex Collier: Well, my background is varied. Like many other people have done a lot of different things. I’ve had accounting practices. I’ve owned commercial industrial businesses. Currently what I’m trying to do is finish three books and lecturing across southern California and the western states trying to get out information that I agreed to put out regarding the earth dilemma, the situation that we all face here. I apologize. I’m two years behind schedule. I was supposed to have started lecturing two years prior to this. I’ve really been out since October of ‘93. It’ll be almost a year. That’s currently what I’m trying to do, so alot of my energy and focus has been going towards that.

Rick: Now you’re in contact with the Andromedans. Who exactly are the Andromedans?

Alex: They’re a particular race that exists in the constellation of Andromeda. They’re just one of thousands that exist out there. They are the particular race that I talked to and have had contact with and have given me and shared information with me, are human. They’re white skinned to light blue skinned, anywhere to four foot tall to eight feet tall, and they are human in every way.

Rick: Now where did they originate, Alex?

Alex: All human life originated in Lyra, and when Lyra fell during a war, long before one of the stars there exploded, they migrated out from Lyra during a war in order to preserve the race and they went to different parts of our galaxy. So all human life originated from Lyra, originally. Because of their environment, they will, from generation to generation, pick up physical changes depending upon the surface and the organic stuff, their planets, so on and so forth. The different colored race skins have to do with genetics involving the stars in which that they’re exposed to. So that’s basically where they came from.

Rick: So they’re primary home star then is Lyra?

Alex: Yes, originally it was.

Rick: And is that currently still their home star?

Alex: No. There’s no human life on Lyra.

Rick: So then where do they exist now?

Alex: In the constellation of Andromeda.

Rick: Throughout the constellation?

Alex: Yes.

Rick: They must be very plentiful then. There must be a great, vast civilization there.

Alex: Yes there is. It’s an ancient, ancient race.

Rick: Have they described what their civilization is like to you?

Alex: Yes, they have.

Rick: Could you go into some of the details that struck you the most about their civilization?

Alex: Essentially, no matter where they are they’re a one world government. Their society would be approximately forty seven hundred years more advanced than ours on a spiritual level. On a technological level they’re fifty thousand years. But there’s a balance between their technology and their spiritual. In other words, the technology they create is based on a spiritual necessity to evolve and not on one to defend themselves, even though it can be used for that.

Rick: Now when you say forty seven hundred years advanced spiritually…

Alex: Yes.

Rick: How do you measure spiritual advancement in years?

Alex: I don’t really know. That’s what they’ve expressed to me.

Rick: I see.

Alex: They don’t even use time in their world. There’s no such thing, really. They use those numbers to accommodate us so that we can use those as a point of reference.

Rick: I see, okay. What do they call their world in their language?

Alex: They don’t speak. Everything is a symbol there. The whole race is telepathic. I want to back up just a little bit. There are twenty-eight different races there. Not all are human. Many are dimensional, plasmic, organic, that were there before the human aspect of the Andromedans themselves. Or the Lyrans got there and became Andromedans.

There’s a lot of life on the different dimensional levels, that if we were to go to fifth density, we would be physical on fifth density even though here we’re on third density, our perspective of them as being spirit. So, on each of the different dimensions there is an abundance of life that is completely different than how we would perceive it because, you know, our perception is of what third density is like. Even fourth density is very different, but we will have physical form in fourth density.

Rick: Now is third density the lowest density or are there other lower?

Alex: The animal and insect kingdoms would be, and planetary systems would be considered lower but, to be perfectly honest with you, I’ve not had a clear definition of that because I haven’t asked. My focus really has been us and “where do we go from here?”

Rick: What is the main difference between the third density and the fourth density?

Alex: The real difference is consciousness. In fourth density you can pretty much instantly create what it is that you think. Whatever your thoughts are, you manifest almost instantaneously. So there is a major degree of responsibility in dealing with that.

Also, in fourth density we become more of a group mind. In fourth density we’re all telepathic. In other words, everybody can read each other’s minds. Which means you have to be real. You can’t have hidden agendas because people will see right through you. Also, in fourth density we all become clairvoyants. We’ll be able to see energy fields, see life forms. Which means that if you’re hiding something it’ll be seen instantaneously.

They’ve also said that in fourth density, when we move into that, our court systems will change. There’s still a positive and negative. That exists all the way to the fifth density where you’ll experience, to a strong degree, the dualities in our everyday environments. What will happen is you’ll have a judge and you’ll have a jury who will all be clairvoyants. They will read the energy field and know who is telling the truth and who isn’t. Everything will be judged based on that. It will be based on energy, not on words.

In fourth density, when you walk by somebody or you touch somebody’s hand, you will instantly know everything about them. Again, there will be no hidden agendas. Everybody will really have to be real. If they choose to have and continue to play out their agendas, whatever those are, then they will have the space. But, you will know, or people will know, I will know who we’re dealing with instantaneously.

Rick: Is there an economy?

Alex: No.

Rick: And what is the basis of their economy? Is it like a spiritual economy? I’ve heard some people describe their views of other extraterrestrial civilizations as having a spiritual economy where the amount of psychic energy you put into something is given a value. Have they expressed any of how their social systems work?

Alex: Ok, I know a little bit about that. Essentially, everybody is given exactly what it is they need to evolve. There are many different races, and each race has their own uniqueness about them based on their particular belief systems and my understanding is that everything is a belief system. As far as the Andromedan culture, children go to school. Or the Andromedans, they go through a birth process just like we do. Those that are physical. They go to school for anywhere from one hundred and twenty to a hundred and fifty years. They’re taught all of the major sciences and arts. They would be equivalent to Phd’s or doctorates or masters, whatever you want to call it, in all of the arts. It is at that point, once they are done with all of that education, that they choose what it is that they wish to do, where to evolve. And they can change their mind any time they want. The whole purpose is the evolution of the soul and life. They’re given whatever it is that they need to do that. I’m not aware of crime or whatever, or anything along those lines. Their whole focus is on education and not distraction. If it’s something that is not educational, from what I’ve observed, it’s just simply something that they’re not interested in. They just have it within them to constantly evolve on an educational as well as a spiritual level. And whatever they need is there for them to use. I’m not aware of them having to pay anything for it. To my knowledge it doesn’t exist.

Rick: Now are art and music important to them too?

Alex: Yes, all of it is. But those things are very different from what we perceive. Art is creation to them: things that are created out of thought. Out of the “is-ness” - what they call “is-ness” - the Pleadians call creation - what we call God. Things that are created just by thought. By nature.

They consider art. They use extensively holographic technology. Music, their music, is of the universe. Of what the music that certain planets make as they rotate around their sun. What different solar systems make as they revolve around their sun. And what whole systems - the sounds and energy that they create. To them, that’s their music. Then they put things together. Different constellations, different star systems. They’ll put those together and overlap them to create music. It’s different than what we just pull out of thin air here.