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| "CL": Re: Where The Hell Was Starkey? |
[In "Re: Where the hell was Starkey?", 'CL'" said:]]
1 October 1976
"On the move to La Quinta, he ["L. Ron Hubbard"] drove himself, with the trucks carrying the boxes travelling at different times and routes, not to draw attention. Rifle was his house, Olive Tree Ranch was the comm centre where messengers lived, and the Palms was where the rest of us lived."
Source: Kima Douglas Interview, Oakland, California, 27 August 1986
| vm wrote: | Note that this 1 October 1976 is actually only about one month after the end of the huge "Human Rights Prayer Day" convention in L.A.
Okay, now, the ONLY people purportedly with this "L. Ron Hubbard" at the time, at LA QUINTA, from all accounts that can be scraped up anywhere, were: Mary Sue, Fred Hare, Ann and James "Jimmy" Mulligan, Duke Snyder, Laurel Watson [soon Laurel Sullivan], Fred Watson, Kima Douglas, and Mike Douglas. That's IT, plus "some messengers." Nobody seems to want to say who these "Messengers" were.
[ref: doc.php?p=867]
Well that's interesting, one thing that's particularly interesting is the name dropping the govt set of disinformation posters had begun doing, not too long ago-begun to be covered in the "reactions to the 2003 posts" thread.
Anyway, By this time in 1976 Jimmy Mulligan has resigned, probably due to someone's order, and is no longer on the HASI Board of Directors.
Duke Snyder is placed by "CL" (with no source I might add), at La Quinta when LRH was there. CBR, in I believe his debrief has seen LRH alive AFTER this point. So..LRH was at La Quinta, and now CL, for the first time that I have seen, lists Duke Snyder as being there.
And I believe that Duke was senior? to Dick, and very much in comm with him, and Dick's wife Judy, was the new Secretary of the HASI board, earlier that year, 1976. And it would ostensibly have been her hat to do the "admin" and make sure the report was filed.
Then AFTER this placing of Duke etc up at La Quinta with LRH, AFTER that..the po box gets closed and mail gets returned undeliverable postmarked November 19 1976, down goes HASI but it isn't "known" except by those who arranged the closing of the box, UNTIL May of 1977..this all happened, LONG before Lenske was involved, or even knew..and what happened to the assets of HASI then?
The copyrights....
Well, if they "lost" them, one would expect quite a show after the fact to prove they "had" them.
And so it was..but we'll get to that later. |
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:24
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| PEAT Is A Nullification Process |
PEAT is a nullification process, it will all just have to be done again.
[ref: doc.php?p=884]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:42
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| UCP Is A Very Limited Process |
UCP is a very limited process.
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...Anyone disagreeing with UCP will act as an invalidator of the wins, now the UCPeon will try to enforce UCP on others, failing that the UCPeon will then attempt to make nothing of those who disagree. (This isn't just a UCP problem, all techs collide with this cycle.
[ref: doc.php?p=883]
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...If men want to have sex with men that's ok with me.
I do have a revulsion for homosexual men who are too clueless to realize that I have no sexual interest in them.
It just goes back to basics of the ARC triangle.
[ref: doc.php?p=875]
| | Actually, this is the real why: http://fza.org/doc187.html |
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:43
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| Many "OT's" Like To Dub-In "OT Powers" That They Do Not Have |
But many "OT's" like to dub-in "OT Powers" that they do not have...
[ref: doc.php?p=885]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:26
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| The Bridge Was Designed For Cash Gain - NOT CASE GAIN |
The bridge was designed for cash gain - NOT CASE GAIN.
[ref: doc.php?p=886]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:26
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| I Did The Data Evaluator Course 5 Times At Flag |
I did the Data Evaluator Course 5 times at Flag, that is 15 times through the checksheets. Mike's Data Evals had an Agenda. The data was being filtered through his psychosis. (BTW when I learn something I never stop relearning until I reach a level of knowing.)
[ref: doc.php?p=889]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:26
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| I Have Run Around 10,000 Hours Solo |
After leaving the CofS I have run around 10,000 hours solo and I still have a long way to go.
[ref: doc.php?p=879]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:27
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| Scientology Never Has Had The Technology To Make OT's |
Scientology never has had the Technology to make OT's.........OT's are source points........and there is "only one" source in Scio.
[ref: doc.php?p=894]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:27
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| The Tech Covered In Scio Is Simple Set-Up Technology |
The Tech covered in Scio is simple set-up Technology.......a long way from the actual Technology that can produce a full restoration of each being.
[ref: doc.php?p=896]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:27
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12 Oct 2002
Spiritual Teammates |
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| Now Let's Get Down To Brass Tacks... |
[Jontu said:]
In Part I (which Virginia just reposted) we looked at some of the basics of spiritual, or psychic warfare.
Now let's get down to brass tacks...
[ref: doc.php?p=1018]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:28
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10 Oct 2002
Spiritual Teammates |
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| [Alan] Is Recapturing Thetans Who Have Been Set Free By People Auditing On OT 3 |
[Mike McClaughry said:]
He [Alan Walter] was a busy boy in 1968. At the same time as he is working with CIA agent, Pat Price, to develop Psychic Warfare ì he starts recapturing thetans who have been set free by people auditing on OT 3. He is essentially forming them back into clusters, under the guise of "Spiritual Teammates."
It is interesting that Alan considers setting Beings free, as abuse. It is also noteworthy that he is preparing them for the year 2015 because that is the target date the Enslavers have for establishing a One World government.
[ref: doc.php?p=1016]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:29
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| I'm Back On It [OT2] Again Now |
Thoroughly run OT2 is the door to opening up the upper levels.
I'm back on it again now and getting good reads on run 7 GPM 15.
[ref: doc.php?p=1808]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:29
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| Ralph Hilton States Where The "Freezone" Is Based. |
| Author: | Hilton, Ralph | | Reference: | alt.clearing.technology |
| vm wrote: | | Ralph Hilton states where the "Freezone" is based. |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ralph Hilton"
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: FREEZONE AOs COS Fairgames.
The Freezone is based in Germany, Switzerland and Austria.
They can play their silly games in America but have no faintest hope in Hell
over here in Europe.
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Ralph Hilton
| vm wrote: | Here we have Ralph putting some locations to where the coopted and propagandized "Freezone" is based.
In these areas key personnel-wise we have:
Germany:
Bernd and Doris Luebeck
Otfried Krumpholz
Switzerland:
Erica and Max Hauri
Austria:
Ralph Hilton |
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:30
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| The Forum At Www.fzint.org/discus Has Become Unusable |
The forum at www.fzint.org/discus has become unusable for many due to amount of idiocy posted there.
Thus, as an alternative, a lightly moderated forum is now at http://www.fzaoint.org/publicforum/ intended as a public discussion area of FZ related topics as distinct from the fzaoint board at www.fzaoint.org/bb which is for fzaoint and scientology related discussion.
The www.fzint.org/discus forum remains as an unmoderated area.
[ref: doc.php?p=163]
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| He Copied The Addresses Of All The Members, Started Another List |
[In "OTAO/ FZAOINT Reorganization", Tommy Thompson said:]
Basically, Ralph disagreed with me putting the entire fzaoint yahoo group on moderated status to quell an outbreak of confidential data and the ensuing enturbulation. Not necessarily the why, but the fact that I cut his com lines. So, he copied the addresses of all the members, started another list.
Since he owns and controls the domain of fzaoint, he blocked the webmaster from access, and changed the links.
However, the fzaoint yahoo group was owned by me. Ralph was holding Qual Sec, BB was holding Dist Sec hats. They both decided with a couple other folks to operate under the name of fzaoint, mock up a new org bd, and so forth.
[ref: doc.php?p=1669]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:32
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| Then The Grades Came Out, It's Been Downhill Ever Since... |
Then the Grades came out.........It's been downhill ever since.......
[ref: doc.php?p=897]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:33
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| Virginia: Re: The Jontu-Matulef Disinformation Show |
[In "Re: The Jontu-Matulef Disinformation Show, Virginia said:]
Oh and Randy (CL)?
Why did you not mention about that the HASI was deliberately set to go defunct 25 years after it's inception?
Hmm? That is a rather odd "oversight" on your part.
What with all your self described fabulous research skills, how did you manage to miss that data in the incorporation papers which you purportedly requested and received?
Enquiring minds want to know..
[ref: doc.php?p=872]
| vm wrote: | | CL never answered the above. |
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:33
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| "CL": The Jontu-Matulef Disinformation Show |
[In "The Jontu-Matulef Disinformation Show", CL said:]
Well, wouldn't you know it: since the other disinformation specialists whose job it was to point all attention at RTC and keep all attention away from CST have been thoroughly discredited as perjurers, thieves, and liars, the new tap dance team has arrived, apparently being part of trained intel agent Mike McClaughry's coterie.
"Jontu" is doing everything he can to link the very valid copyrights issue to some whacked-out sci-fi alien-invasion scenario so it can all be laughed off and discredited together, Operating Rule #1 for the disinformation specialist.
[ref: doc.php?p=870]
| vm wrote: | | Calls us "disinformation specialists" that's the criminal mind in action, since that is exactly what "Cl" does. A very specialized disinformation campaign. Quite tricky too, just enough truth to bait the trap.. |
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:34
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| "Jontu": Re: The Jontu-Matulef Disinformation Show |
[In "Re: The Jontu-Matulef Disinformation Show", Jontu said:]
"Paul Matulef" wrote in message
news:3CC4AAEF.7080802@here.com...
> Hush Jontu! You told them too much already.
Knowing that the enslavers would infiltrate and take-over the church TTA, and that they would corrupt the technology and prevent access to his original works, apparently Ron tricked them and intentionally let the vast majority of copyrights to to his original works go into the public domain.
Thus, the TRUE owners of the copyrights are actually the peoples of Earth.
The enslavers, realizing too late that they had been tricked and had lost control of the copyrights, they instituted several solutions:
1. Denial
2. File copyright applications despite the fact that the they had no right to.
3. Collect up the original materials to get them out of circulation.
4. Create new corporate entities to "receive" the illegal copyrights.
5. Fraudulently "transfer" copyrights which they didn't actually own.
6. Alter the original materials to make BOTWO versions, and get legitimate copyrights on those owned by their new corporate entities.
7. Denial
[ref: doc.php?p=871]
The Scientology Copyright Empire and the IRS
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=3cc49d22%241%40news2.lightlink.com&rnum=5&prev=/ groups%3Fq%3D%2522Mike%2BAnswers%2BCL%2Bon%2BCopyright%2BFraud%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF- 8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D3cc49d22%25241%2540news2.lightlink.com%26rnum%3D5[/quote]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:36
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| Headers For "The Copyrights - Part II" |
From: "Jontu"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: The Copyrights - Part II
Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:10:58 -0700
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| vm wrote: | | This is the headers for a post that David did, that CL had a cow about..and CL kept having a bad hair day on this thread when David said "you lost them", referring to the copyrights. "CL" finally supposedly "killfiled" David-didn't like how that discussion was going I guess.. |
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17 Apr 2002
Spiritual Teammates |
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| Not Too Long Ago, I Posted Some Information Regarding The Control Of Spirits |
[Jontu said:]
Not too long ago, I posted some information regarding the control of spirits. This particular field of knowledge has been considered, for a VERY long time, to be extremely secret, esoteric knowledge, known only to certain initiates in the Black Arts.
[ref: doc.php?p=1017]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:37
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| "Jontu": LTA And The Akashic Book Of Records |
[In "LTA and the Akashic Book of Records, Jontu said:]
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jontu"
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 1:17 AM
Subject: LTA and the Akashic Book of Records
"...One of the curves involves the copyrights to all of his original writings which, due to some clever manuevers by LRH with the original HASI, actually fell into the public domain years ago. But RTC/CST has been busy covering that up, altering his original works, and then copyrighting the changes so they can maintain control."
----- Original Message -----
From: "FACTNet International"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: whatever happened to Sten-Arne?
Jontu" wrote in message
news:3cbb82a7$1@news2.lightlink.com...
> Hey Larry, glad you showed up because I have a quick question for you:
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> I have heard that sometime back FACTNet was sued by RTC for copyright
> infringement, and that Vaughn Young and I believe Jessie Prince were
> proving that specific issues within the list of alleged copyright
> violations were fraudulent, based on the fact that the copyrights on these
> issues had previously gone into the public domain.
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> Do you have a list of which issues were proven to be in the public domain?
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> Thanks.
Dan Liepold was the lawyer in the case. You will have to consult with him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Owen"
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.clearing.technology
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: ESSAY: Scientology and Copyright
"...Although a few of L. Ron Hubbard's early works have escaped into the public domain due to technical mistakes by the Church of Scientology, the vast majority appear to be safe until at least the 2050s and probably well beyond..."
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So there appears to be a lot of "Look over here! Look over there!" going on at the lower levels, trying to keep people's attention focused too low or too late on the chain, and therefore off of the higher level VABs and what is REALLY going on.
Now this particular area is a very tricky one, which if not managed very carefully, can have significant detrimental ramifications for those behind the scenes.
On the one hand, the enslavers want a lot of discussion about how bad the church is and how corrupt the management is because it forwards their purpose of destroying the chuch and ultimately Scientology itself.
On the other hand, if not very carefully controlled with precise vector management, it can easily backfire on them if people start looking at all of the fraud which has been perpetrated around the copyrights. And I don't mean just faking the copyrights themselves.
You see, it could begin to call into question offical government involvement in this whole sordid mess, and how much certain "officials" knew about what was going on and why it was done. A why that involves "national security".
And that is the point at which this turns into a real sticky mess for them.
They'd be happy to destroy the church and shut it down because of all the criminal activity perpetrated by the current management, but they are probably not prepared for the string to be pulled any further than the church. Who knows what could unwravel and fall out of the spider's web then.
And they also realize that if the full truth about the copyrights going into the public domain were to become widely circulated and known-about, they would forever lose their *lever* of control over people and their use of the subject...
And the people of Earth would realize that Ron did indeed achieve his aim of giving them the tech.
[ref: doc.php?p=1633]
Last updated on Fri, 7th Oct 2005 02:38
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| Go Touch Some Walls Or Something |
What a fucking twit Mike is more likely. Spaceships in the vicinity of any of the Big Dipper stars are not visible from Earth and if they were it would take many many years for the light to get here.
Go touch some walls or something.
[ref: doc.php?p=1632]
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04 Apr 2002
Guardian's Office |
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| Phil Scott: Re: Attn "C Of A" |
[In "Re: Attn "C of A" ", Phil Scott said:]
What? You think Jontu might be NUTZ? Maybe he was in the USGO like Koos. and lemme see, which other paranoid psychotics escaped from that group..oh ya... Captn Bill.
These are guys that would actually CATCH a wino pee'ing on their tire and jump up and point "SEE I CAUGHT YOU"... and it would all be true.
They'd still be nuts.
[ref: doc.php?p=869][/quote]
[quote="vm"]Phil Scott always seems to feel the need to "discredit" the USGO, perhaps because some USGO staff were quite effective, and perhaps some did something re: the copyrights?
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